The poor struggle to make their weekly tithes, and men like Tamaki are going on $400,000 cruises. whats wrong with this picture?

How does this work. Destiny use scriptures like Malachai 3 8-10 to justify their approach, infact its a scripture that they recite everysunday as a part of the offering, with emphasis on verse 10

Mal 3:8I ask you, is it right for a person to cheat God? Of course not, yet you are cheating me. 'How?' you ask. In the matter of tithes and offerings.
Mal 3:9 A curse is on all of you because the whole nation is cheating me.
Mal 3:10 Bring the full amount of your tithes to the Temple, so that there will be plenty of food there. Put me to the test and you will see that I will open the windows of heaven and pour out on you in abundance all kinds of good things.

They never however examine which of the old testament tithes that Malacai refered to, however if we look at Deuteronomy 26:12-15, we see

Deu 26:12 "Every third year give the tithe---a tenth of your crops---to the Levites, the foreigners, the orphans, and the widows, so that in every community they will have all they need to eat. When you have done this,
Deu 26:13 say to the LORD, 'None of the sacred tithe is left in my house; I have given it to the Levites, the foreigners, the orphans, and the widows, as you commanded me to do. I have not disobeyed or forgotten any of your commands concerning the tithe.
Deu 26:14 I have not eaten any of it when I was mourning; I have not taken any of it out of my house when I was ritually unclean; and I have not given any of it as an offering for the dead. I have obeyed you, O LORD; I have done everything you commanded concerning the tithe.
Deu 26:15 Look down from your holy place in heaven and bless your people Israel; bless also the rich and fertile land that you have given us, as you promised our ancestors.'

If this is the tithe refered to in Malachai, we should be giving out tithe every third year and it should be going to organisations that support widows, orphans and other needy people. Further more if this tithe is the subject of the Malachai text, then why are men like Tamaki and Mortlock living lives of oppulence, while people in their churches are struggling to have the basic necessities. The same people even though they are struggling are expected to be handing over 1/10th of their income each week.

The question remains though, if we are expected to obey the old testament law of tithing, why do we not obey all of the old testament law. Pauls says clearly in Galations 5;2-3

Gal 5:1 Freedom is what we have---Christ has set us free! Stand, then, as free people, and do not allow yourselves to become slaves again.
Gal 5:2 Listen! I, Paul, tell you that if you allow yourselves to be circumcised, it means that Christ is of no use to you at all.
Gal 5:3 Once more I warn any man who allows himself to be circumcised that he is obliged to obey the whole Law.

The old testament law includes animal sacrifices, killing both the rapist and his victim, I can just see members of impact particpating in animal sacrifices, we also shouldnt dye our hair or do any work on a sunday, if an old testament persn wasnt able hitch their oxen to their wagons, would that mean we couldnt drive our cars.

I think to give back to God is a good thing, however I believe that God in the new testament, isnt just talking about 10% of our money, he wants 1005 of our lives. He wants us to give to other people, to step outside the bare minimum that was laid down in the old testament...

2 cornithians 9:7 God loves a cheerful giver, it goes on to say that he who sews sparingly will reap sparingly, and he who sews alot will reap alot. Interesting to note, when looking at the ancient greek, there is no reference to giving money?

That was our school motto, also aprt of my highschool song

Its a cliche to say the least, however over the kast few days as I start getting involved indepth study of the bible, I realise that knowledge is power, and without knowledge of the bible, thats how one gets involved with cults like CIC

As I look back after reading M's book, I am struck with this overwhelming feeling of wanting to hurl. I see so much of the behavior that he describes in his book, mirroring the behavior of city impact people.

I remember V saying once, that I shouldn’t have anything to do with ExWitch, because those people would drag me down. Even D saying quoting that scripture about a Dog returning to its doggy doo and that all ex witches did when they got together was sit sound and talk about the good old days and how much easier being a witch or a pagan was. I remember thinking at the time, what a crock, as if being a witch was easier than being a Christian. If I was still a witch, I could still be hooking and pro domming without any twinge of conscience. And making a whole bunch more money than I am now.

I can’t help but wonder if the God I have been exposed to is the real God, or the God of City Impact and Destiny Church. I feel angry, but I also feel ashamed that I was sucked into it. No coercion there, I wanted to belong to something. And I thought that CIC offered that. I can see now that belonging was only available if one didn’t question the party line, gave their 10% plus extras and gave bucket loads of money to the sacrificial offering, and went to every course available, went to all the power prayer meetings.

When God refers to sewing and reaping, and how in 2 corinthians 9 if we sew little we will reap little, and if we sew much, we reap much. I dont believe that just refers to money giving. It refers to how we are in life, whether we step outside the bounds of the bare minimum of what God expects from us or we just get by.

I believe that God doesnt just expect 10% of our money, he expects 100% of our lives. I believe that he is concerned with the state of the heart more than he is concerned with whether we gave 10% of our income. Dont get me wrong, I think its a good thing to give back to God and to support ones church

However I think God is more likely to ask us why we walked past that workmate who was suicidal, than why we didnt put 10% of our income into church.

I always remember people saying that Peter Mortlock was hugely gifted in terms of words of knowledge. He apparently could speak the right word from God for as given situation. He made the most amazingly accurate word about me one night in a service, how I had been involved in witchcraft, only dabbling but had opened the doors to some fairly heavy demonic stuff. At the time I thought “wow”, this man really is plugged into God, however as I read the stuff on mystical manipulation, I am left wondering how much of Peters word was from God, and how much was based on stuff that J, or C or any of that lot had told them. Same with L in that freedom night, “a few people here who have tried to kill themselves”. What freaking Bollicks. From God unlikely, more likely these amazing words of knowledge come from the well placed network of informers, than God.

I need to take time away to find God again. I look back at what is just written, and go this is the sort of bitter and twisted bollicks that made me leave CIC.....

right now I praise God For people like R, M, K and other solid christian influences in my life. Also for M God is the colest for directing someone into my path who understands and who has traveled the same path.

Its offical I have left CIC. I feel that its heading down a dangerous path. I have spent the last few days looking at what it teaches as a church, and I feel these things are not of God. Its over emphasis on monetary giving, this study has a much more balanced look at things. It would seem that there are three sorts of tithes discussed in the old testament, (there is some debate to the exact number). Galations 5:3, Paul states that if we are to obey the old testament law, then we have to obey all ot the old testament law. A rape victim within the city, if she doesnt cry out is to be killed along with her rapist, deuteronomy 22:24.

Thats scary. However I think I have realised that people like peter Mortlock and Brian tamaki will take anything from the bible to support their stance, and ignore the stuff that contradicts it. I dont think they started out trying to screw their flock, however I think its that saying that "power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely). Its not to sat that CIC is all bad. There are some goood people in that Church. However these good people are controlled by one brain.

Why i finally left?
Because I was getting bitter and twisted about God. Because I thought his people were full of shit. They demonstrated superficialness that was dependent on how long I had been at CIC. In the beginning, they were all friendly and nice, but as time went by I noticed that they were becoming more and more unfriendly. Not so much unfriendly as distant.

Please note, if you are a member of destiny Church or city Impact, defamatory, slanderous, and ad homenien attacks will be removed.

After having this book reccomended to me yesterday, I made a trip to the library to get it

This is a scary book, it is about what New zealand would be like, if men like Bishop Brian Tamaki and Peter Mortlock gained control. I think whats scarier is that these men no doubt aspire to lead our country into some sort of Christian state. Things being done in the name of God, all sorts of horrible things, theres one scene in the book where Max the main character realises that people dont just go to building 65 for one year and then dumped out into "the world" when they go to building 65 they go for life. And near the end he discovers that people who go to building 65 are being systematically eliminated

Parents are funny... My mum pretends to be so funtional, however yet at the moment, I see her age visibly before my eyes. I got lambasted the other day because I had let her know I had gone back on anti Ds. However I committed the ultimate crime and didnt ask how she was. She seems to be gong incredibly egocentric, as in its all about her.

Dad on the other hand is as dysfunctional as they come, yet he makes no bones about coping and hes almost more pleasant to be around at the moment...

Who knows, am getting on well with S & K, its nice having them in the same city. S I think was a bit worried when I told her was going back on an anti D however told her what I'd told some other people that Auckland was a big City and if I needed to it would be easy enough to avoid them. That was another irk about mum. She started treating me like I was about to fall on my face again, as I did in the past. Like the last 3 odd years of relative stability meant nothing, and I was just waiting to jump back into my old dysfunctional life... Thats why I started the anti D, so I wouldnt fall on my face again. I have far to much to lose, which is essential why I dont loose the plot

I fixed my computer

Thought it was a virus or spyware and had run several even in safe mode but nothing picked up. Turned it on today to a "this driver is missing" and realised I couldnt even get online because the driver for the LAN and the wireless had vanished.

So with feat and trepidation, I backed up info and inserted the recovery disc. The whole proceedure took about 30 mins... I waited for laptop to reload, went through all the windows intro BS. And lo and behold a computer like new again..... The network connections were back, even the mouse user files that I havent had on my computer since I had it.....


Go me and Yay God. The long flowery request that God would intervene, was more like "God please cut me some slack right now I cant afford to pay to get this fixed

YAY God

It was one of those days today, got half way to my afternoon job and had to drive back to school and get my wallet and then rush of to where I was going... And it seemed I got in behind all the slow cars, got all the red lights and got greenhithe feeling frazzled. To top it off, he mum of the boy I was looking after coz she couldnt get me on the cell drove home. She was worried I would not show up. I got paid still but didnt have to do the hours which was a blessing. As I was driving home, the traffic was a nightmare. so I got out my ipod and plugged it in and started playing some worship music.

The worship tranported me before the throne of God, as I sat in my car in a traffic jam, it didnt matter that I was not moving, because i was where I wanted to be. Worshipping my lord and Saviour.

Our every action should be worship to our King. Sadly though at times, we get busy and stressed and forget. To live so close to God, that every action gives glory to him. Is it achievable this side of the grave.... I hope so